How to Not Make Spider-Man 4 A Total Mess

The original Spider-Man (2002) film was released to rave reviews, garnering a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes, and the sequel (2004) was even more critically acclaimed with an average of 94%. Now, the similarity between these two movies (besides the cast, setting, and name) is that each one only had one villain, allowing a great deal of focus on just him and Spider-Man. Now, the biggest difference between this incredibly popular sequel and the “threequel” was that the third movie had three villains. Oh, yeah, and the ratings were different, too. About 32% different.

So, what was the cause of this? Is there simply a curse on these so-called “threequels” (like the 34% drop from x2 to X-Men: The Last Stand), possibly because “threequel” is such a stupid word? Or perhaps it’s because Sam Raimi packed as many villains as he could into a movie, which was easily the biggest complaint critics had regarding the movie. But that may oversimplify the problem: going back to one villain may not be a quick fix for the next installment in the Spider-Man franchise.

*SPOILER ALERTS FOR SPIDER-MAN 3 FOLLOW* The nearly two and half hour movie left a lot of loose ends. Harry Osborn died, leaving open the position of who would run Oscorp, Peter and Mary Jane had never officially “made up”, and Sandman’s fate was left unanswered. Where do you pick up from there? Well, fans have been clamoring for the Lizard and Carnage, and Dr. Connors does still has a piece of the symbiote…

The best bet for a Spider-Man 4 would be to have just one villain, leaving director Sam Raimi with the difficult choice between Carnage and the Lizard. Like I said, Dr. Connors still has a piece of the symbiote, and using Carnage as a villain would tie that up – but in the comics, Carnage is nearly unstoppable, at least by Spider-Man alone. Spider-Man was always forced to team up with Venom, at least temporarily, to take out the much more powerful foe. With Venom’s death in Spider-Man 3, it might just be impossible to have Carnage and Spidey face off.

Because of that, and although it would leave Dr. Connors with a piece of the symbiote, the Lizard would be a much more practical villain for the movie. Spider-Man would have the ability to actually defeat him, and Dr. Connor’s appearances in all the previous movies would finally have meaning. In fact, if Raimi truly did want to fix the mistakes of Spider-Man 3, he could somehow integrate the symbiote into Connors’ transformation into the Lizard, even if it would make all the geeks grab their pitchforks (or plastic lightsabers).

As for the relationship between Peter and MJ, why have them make up now? Sure, more love drama might seem like it would make the movie drag on like the last one, but with just one villain, Peter’s interaction with other people would have to step up. Although it bothers me greatly that Raimi threw away the possibility of having Gwen Stacy be a major character, why not give Peter another romance, with, say, Betty Grant?

And finally, the problem with Oscorp. Sam Raimi has said that he would love to do a Spider-Man 4, 5, and 6, and while  each movie will likely have a different plot and villain, there is the possibility that Spider-Man 4 will be the beginning of a three-movie story arc. In the comics, Norman Osborn returned from his supposed death, and because the lead position of Oscorp is empty, that leaves the perfect chance for Norman to come back, or at least have a “puppet” to control the company for him while he plots revenge on Spider-Man. And since Raimi isn’t really paying attention to the comics, wouldn’t it be amazing to see Osborn come back in the sixth movie as the Hobgoblin?

But these are all just ideas, and shouldn’t be taken as actual news. While it would be great if Sam Raimi listened to these, don’t count on it (hey, since it’s the fourth Spider-Man movie, why don’t you just have four villains!?).



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Writing is one of my favorite past-times, as is watching movies. Writing about movies was, of course, the natural progression. I also have my own little blog here: yuhn.wordpress.com

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  • http://www.youtube.com/xin0 xino

    Deadpool, Rhino, Shocker and those guys can’t be and shouldn’t be in the movie. Because they are minor enemies Spidey can defeat, it only gets harder if they gang up on him. Spidey needs a villain that is known for, like Sandman, doc ock, goblin were the known villains and ones that always give Spidey trouble.

    I say Electro could be the next villain.

    And the Kingpin was already used in DareDevil so no one can use the Kingpin again.

    Chris, Kraven is a cool villain/hero. Because how many fans of Spiderman will consider him or know him? I don’t think he’s anything special.

    • http://www.originalgeekspodcast.com/ Dedpool aka Jiinx

      I know he can beat them That’s why I want them in it. Throw away villains to pound on durring the opening scenes or something. To show there’s more than just this major villain every so often. That’s exaclty why I picked them. High action, lots of collateral damage, and he can quip the whole fight instead of being so serious because so much is at stake. That’s the only reason I never got pissed Spidey wasn’t quiping, because in 1&2 the stakes always felt very high. Low stakes makes for a fun fight.

  • http://www.youtube.com/xin0 xino

    Deadpool, Rhino, Shocker and those guys can’t be and shouldn’t be in the movie. Because they are minor enemies Spidey can defeat, it only gets harder if they gang up on him. Spidey needs a villain that is known for, like Sandman, doc ock, goblin were the known villains and ones that always give Spidey trouble.

    I say Electro could be the next villain.

    And the Kingpin was already used in DareDevil so no one can use the Kingpin again.

    Chris, Kraven is a cool villain/hero. Because how many fans of Spiderman will consider him or know him? I don’t think he’s anything special.

    • Dedpool

      I know he can beat them That’s why I want them in it. Throw away villains to pound on durring the opening scenes or something. To show there’s more than just this major villain every so often. That’s exaclty why I picked them. High action, lots of collateral damage, and he can quip the whole fight instead of being so serious because so much is at stake. That’s the only reason I never got pissed Spidey wasn’t quiping, because in 1&2 the stakes always felt very high. Low stakes makes for a fun fight.

  • ross

    as if spider-man IV wont have Morbuis in it.. studio execs will want to try to cash in on the VAMPIRE craze at the moment.. it should be morbius and krazen coming to hunt him and teaming up with spidey then at at end connors turns himself into the lizard and krazen turns his eye on the lizard so spidey tries to save lizard by fighting kraven (morbius flys away to hibernate… krazen gets beat.. would be cool to introduce felica and then later on black cat as a ronamce for spiderman (not pete) if not in this one at least introduce felicia with morbius then in spidey V introduce black cat

    • http://www.originalgeekspodcast.com/ Dedpool aka Jiinx

      Not bad but too many characters running around fighting. Need a build up to Morbius. Introduce him as human, and kinda follow the 90′s cartoon with him being a rival of Peter’s while working for Doc Connors. Kraven isn’t a bad idea, and could easily be introduced in the first half hour and have him as the main villain until bout halway through where Connors becomes the Lizard. Kraven now wants to hunt The Lizard, but Spidey feels it’s his fault for the transformation (lab accident or mistake) and so tries to save him. Three way fight ensues, Lizard is cured, but Spiderman is beaten and burried. Kraven kills himself, Connors reverts back to Lizard, Spidey escapes his grave and then fights and fully cures Lizard. Towards the end Morbius would steal work from both Connors and Parker and create his own serum to cure a blood affliction he has which turns him into Morbius the Living Vampire. Cue next flick.

    • http://yuhn.wordpress.com/ Nate Kimmey

      I’m personally against introducing the Black Cat. She would have to be a love interest for Peter, but he would only see her as Spider-Man, leaving time for his human life sorely lacking.

  • ross

    as if spider-man IV wont have Morbuis in it.. studio execs will want to try to cash in on the VAMPIRE craze at the moment.. it should be morbius and krazen coming to hunt him and teaming up with spidey then at at end connors turns himself into the lizard and krazen turns his eye on the lizard so spidey tries to save lizard by fighting kraven (morbius flys away to hibernate… krazen gets beat.. would be cool to introduce felica and then later on black cat as a ronamce for spiderman (not pete) if not in this one at least introduce felicia with morbius then in spidey V introduce black cat

    • Dedpool

      Not bad but too many characters running around fighting. Need a build up to Morbius. Introduce him as human, and kinda follow the 90′s cartoon with him being a rival of Peter’s while working for Doc Connors. Kraven isn’t a bad idea, and could easily be introduced in the first half hour and have him as the main villain until bout halway through where Connors becomes the Lizard. Kraven now wants to hunt The Lizard, but Spidey feels it’s his fault for the transformation (lab accident or mistake) and so tries to save him. Three way fight ensues, Lizard is cured, but Spiderman is beaten and burried. Kraven kills himself, Connors reverts back to Lizard, Spidey escapes his grave and then fights and fully cures Lizard. Towards the end Morbius would steal work from both Connors and Parker and create his own serum to cure a blood affliction he has which turns him into Morbius the Living Vampire. Cue next flick.

    • http://yuhn.wordpress.com Nate Kimmey

      I’m personally against introducing the Black Cat. She would have to be a love interest for Peter, but he would only see her as Spider-Man, leaving time for his human life sorely lacking.

  • Allison

    The short answer to why the last film didn’t cut it comes in three parts – they totally screwed up Venom, dancing Spidey and that fatuous grin he wore whilst revelling in the parade. I stopped wearing my Spidey tees after that, embarassed to have people think I actually liked that movie!

  • Allison

    The short answer to why the last film didn’t cut it comes in three parts – they totally screwed up Venom, dancing Spidey and that fatuous grin he wore whilst revelling in the parade. I stopped wearing my Spidey tees after that, embarassed to have people think I actually liked that movie!

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  • cjniya

    Spider Man could be a good teaching material for children, especially the Episode One. Spider Man’s uncle just told him that “With great power comes great responsibility.” It means a lot to children and also adults. Almost every child has the dream to be the super man, but they do not know how to use the power, neither do adults.
    Sometimes we just misunderstand the power or the super power, we wish we could have it but we do not know how to use it. We wish we could have the magic ring and when we need help, the spirit in the ring would solve everything for us. When I was a little child, I wish I could have the Aladdin’s lamp and I could call the spirit in the lamp to do homework for me. The first wish would be “Help me to do my homework.” The second wish would be “Help me to do my homework.” And the third wish would be “Give me another three wishes.” It is just like the one who has the ability to make himself omnipotent makes him omnipotent. To us, the super power is the thing could make our life better and if we have the power the first thing we want to do might not be protecting the earth or bring the peace to this world, but getting as many our favorite things as possible immediately. Anyway, we are not the saints, we have our dream. A rubber wristbands with the words “World Peace” could be more meaningful and particular than the real peace of this world. Even if we have the power, how could we make this world stay peaceful forever?
    Only when everyone or at least every head of this world knows “With great power comes great responsibility.” then we would have a better place in this planet. Maybe Mr. Bush is the example for missing this course.

  • cjniya

    Spider Man could be a good teaching material for children, especially the Episode One. Spider Man’s uncle just told him that “With great power comes great responsibility.” It means a lot to children and also adults. Almost every child has the dream to be the super man, but they do not know how to use the power, neither do adults.
    Sometimes we just misunderstand the power or the super power, we wish we could have it but we do not know how to use it. We wish we could have the magic ring and when we need help, the spirit in the ring would solve everything for us. When I was a little child, I wish I could have the Aladdin’s lamp and I could call the spirit in the lamp to do homework for me. The first wish would be “Help me to do my homework.” The second wish would be “Help me to do my homework.” And the third wish would be “Give me another three wishes.” It is just like the one who has the ability to make himself omnipotent makes him omnipotent. To us, the super power is the thing could make our life better and if we have the power the first thing we want to do might not be protecting the earth or bring the peace to this world, but getting as many our favorite things as possible immediately. Anyway, we are not the saints, we have our dream. A rubber wristbands with the words “World Peace” could be more meaningful and particular than the real peace of this world. Even if we have the power, how could we make this world stay peaceful forever?
    Only when everyone or at least every head of this world knows “With great power comes great responsibility.” then we would have a better place in this planet. Maybe Mr. Bush is the example for missing this course.