How to Not Make Spider-Man 4 A Total Mess

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The original Spider-Man (2002) film was released to rave reviews, garnering a 90% on Rotten Tomatoes, and the sequel (2004) was even more critically acclaimed with an average of 94%. Now, the similarity between these two movies (besides the cast, setting, and name) is that each one only had one villain, allowing a great deal of focus on just him and Spider-Man. Now, the biggest difference between this incredibly popular sequel and the “threequel” was that the third movie had three villains. Oh, yeah, and the ratings were different, too. About 32% different.

So, what was the cause of this? Is there simply a curse on these so-called “threequels” (like the 34% drop from x2 to X-Men: The Last Stand), possibly because “threequel” is such a stupid word? Or perhaps it’s because Sam Raimi packed as many villains as he could into a movie, which was easily the biggest complaint critics had regarding the movie. But that may oversimplify the problem: going back to one villain may not be a quick fix for the next installment in the Spider-Man franchise.

*SPOILER ALERTS FOR SPIDER-MAN 3 FOLLOW* The nearly two and half hour movie left a lot of loose ends. Harry Osborn died, leaving open the position of who would run Oscorp, Peter and Mary Jane had never officially “made up”, and Sandman’s fate was left unanswered. Where do you pick up from there? Well, fans have been clamoring for the Lizard and Carnage, and Dr. Connors does still has a piece of the symbiote…

The best bet for a Spider-Man 4 would be to have just one villain, leaving director Sam Raimi with the difficult choice between Carnage and the Lizard. Like I said, Dr. Connors still has a piece of the symbiote, and using Carnage as a villain would tie that up – but in the comics, Carnage is nearly unstoppable, at least by Spider-Man alone. Spider-Man was always forced to team up with Venom, at least temporarily, to take out the much more powerful foe. With Venom’s death in Spider-Man 3, it might just be impossible to have Carnage and Spidey face off.

Because of that, and although it would leave Dr. Connors with a piece of the symbiote, the Lizard would be a much more practical villain for the movie. Spider-Man would have the ability to actually defeat him, and Dr. Connor’s appearances in all the previous movies would finally have meaning. In fact, if Raimi truly did want to fix the mistakes of Spider-Man 3, he could somehow integrate the symbiote into Connors’ transformation into the Lizard, even if it would make all the geeks grab their pitchforks (or plastic lightsabers).

As for the relationship between Peter and MJ, why have them make up now? Sure, more love drama might seem like it would make the movie drag on like the last one, but with just one villain, Peter’s interaction with other people would have to step up. Although it bothers me greatly that Raimi threw away the possibility of having Gwen Stacy be a major character, why not give Peter another romance, with, say, Betty Grant?

And finally, the problem with Oscorp. Sam Raimi has said that he would love to do a Spider-Man 4, 5, and 6, and while  each movie will likely have a different plot and villain, there is the possibility that Spider-Man 4 will be the beginning of a three-movie story arc. In the comics, Norman Osborn returned from his supposed death, and because the lead position of Oscorp is empty, that leaves the perfect chance for Norman to come back, or at least have a “puppet” to control the company for him while he plots revenge on Spider-Man. And since Raimi isn’t really paying attention to the comics, wouldn’t it be amazing to see Osborn come back in the sixth movie as the Hobgoblin?

But these are all just ideas, and shouldn’t be taken as actual news. While it would be great if Sam Raimi listened to these, don’t count on it (hey, since it’s the fourth Spider-Man movie, why don’t you just have four villains!?).

Author: Nate Kimmey

Writing is one of my favorite past-times, as is watching movies. Writing about movies was, of course, the natural progression. I also have my own little blog here: yuhn.wordpress.com
  • M-Cat

    The villain in the fourth movie will be Morbious with a cameo of some sort by Carnage setting things up for the fifth and sixth movie.

  • M-Cat

    The villain in the fourth movie will be Morbious with a cameo of some sort by Carnage setting things up for the fifth and sixth movie.

  • TJ

    Make the movie without Tobey MCGuire. He is a tight ass who never tips anyone worth a damn and should join the ranks of losers like Jim Belushi and Kenny G. Find somebody worth a damn to play Dr.Strange and put him into the movie in a big way…

  • TJ

    Make the movie without Tobey MCGuire. He is a tight ass who never tips anyone worth a damn and should join the ranks of losers like Jim Belushi and Kenny G. Find somebody worth a damn to play Dr.Strange and put him into the movie in a big way…

  • M-Cat

    TJ

    “who never tips anyone worth a damn”

    what does that mean? lol

    • http://www.originalgeekspodcast.com/ Dedpool aka Jiinx

      LOL Yeah That got me too. I agree though. I’m just not digging Tobey as Peter anymore. As for the sequels, I say stay away from venom, carnage, or any symbiotes.

  • M-Cat

    TJ

    “who never tips anyone worth a damn”

    what does that mean? lol

    • Dedpool

      LOL Yeah That got me too. I agree though. I’m just not digging Tobey as Peter anymore. As for the sequels, I say stay away from venom, carnage, or any symbiotes.

  • CarpeDiemsNuts

    All due respect to the author of this article but i disagree on several points, i’ll try and keep this simple guys:

    1 The “Threequel” curse is simply the sad effect that supply and demand in hollywood has on the overall quality of any popular franchise, its a sad combination of sweaty movie exec’s rushing the process, cheaper and quicker script writing and normally contract wranglings with the major stars that means the movie loses cohesion and makes little or no sense in terms of plot and character development to say the least.

    2. Nate show some respect to fans of these comic book saga’s as its the movie-going public who pay your bills and keep you writing whether its about comic book movies or not. Next time before you want to try and recommend plot devices and character inclusion as a means to improve the overall quality then at least do your homework on the subject matter as none of these things can take the place of good quality scripting/direction/editing etc that the 3rd movie was lacking in which in turn leads me to my final point in this little tirade.

    3. Nate your quote “In fact, if Raimi truly did want to fix the mistakes of Spider-Man 3, he could somehow integrate the symbiote into Connors’ transformation into the Lizard, even if it would make all the geeks grab their pitchforks (or plastic lightsabers).” was not only disrespectful to the ‘geeks/anoraks/fanboys’ (whatever term we’ve all used for die-hard fans though we all love something just as much!) but also again highlights your lack of even basic research on your subject matter. Of course artistic licence must be used in order to distill years of comic book history into a 2 hour sitting, but as with any pop culture icons/myth/legends the formation of the central characters should always be taken straight from the source material as anyone has seen most popular characters whose story has been altered to fit in with current trends has still retained the most important elements that has made them popular enough to include in such a major franchise in the first place e.g. Iron Man being set in the Iraq war as opposed to vietnam or Hulk’s Gamma radiation super-soldier program as opposed to gamma bomb experiment. I hope you can see where im coming from otherwise feel free to flame this comment and continue on writing for those who just don’t care.

    Comics are simply put the modern day mythology of our society, Egyptian hieroglyphs or tales of the Norse gods, we have our heroes we look up to and learn from, whose morals and values however written hold true regardless of circumstance and as Spidey says “With great power, comes great responsibility”

    CarpeDiemsNuts

    • http://www.originalgeekspodcast.com/ Dedpool aka Jiinx

      WHoa! Well said. Though I am one of said geeks, and didn’t actually get offended by the statement, you make some valid points about not knowing the source material and the process and rules of adaptation. I feel the same way which is why I don’t get mad when Spiderman has Organic web shooters, or there is no Squid in Watchmen. Somethings just don’t tramslate or you just don’t have the time to get into i.e. Doom being a sorcerer in the comics and being and Electro/Colossus hybrid in the film.

  • CarpeDiemsNuts

    All due respect to the author of this article but i disagree on several points, i’ll try and keep this simple guys:

    1 The “Threequel” curse is simply the sad effect that supply and demand in hollywood has on the overall quality of any popular franchise, its a sad combination of sweaty movie exec’s rushing the process, cheaper and quicker script writing and normally contract wranglings with the major stars that means the movie loses cohesion and makes little or no sense in terms of plot and character development to say the least.

    2. Nate show some respect to fans of these comic book saga’s as its the movie-going public who pay your bills and keep you writing whether its about comic book movies or not. Next time before you want to try and recommend plot devices and character inclusion as a means to improve the overall quality then at least do your homework on the subject matter as none of these things can take the place of good quality scripting/direction/editing etc that the 3rd movie was lacking in which in turn leads me to my final point in this little tirade.

    3. Nate your quote “In fact, if Raimi truly did want to fix the mistakes of Spider-Man 3, he could somehow integrate the symbiote into Connors’ transformation into the Lizard, even if it would make all the geeks grab their pitchforks (or plastic lightsabers).” was not only disrespectful to the ‘geeks/anoraks/fanboys’ (whatever term we’ve all used for die-hard fans though we all love something just as much!) but also again highlights your lack of even basic research on your subject matter. Of course artistic licence must be used in order to distill years of comic book history into a 2 hour sitting, but as with any pop culture icons/myth/legends the formation of the central characters should always be taken straight from the source material as anyone has seen most popular characters whose story has been altered to fit in with current trends has still retained the most important elements that has made them popular enough to include in such a major franchise in the first place e.g. Iron Man being set in the Iraq war as opposed to vietnam or Hulk’s Gamma radiation super-soldier program as opposed to gamma bomb experiment. I hope you can see where im coming from otherwise feel free to flame this comment and continue on writing for those who just don’t care.

    Comics are simply put the modern day mythology of our society, Egyptian hieroglyphs or tales of the Norse gods, we have our heroes we look up to and learn from, whose morals and values however written hold true regardless of circumstance and as Spidey says “With great power, comes great responsibility”

    CarpeDiemsNuts

    • Dedpool

      WHoa! Well said. Though I am one of said geeks, and didn’t actually get offended by the statement, you make some valid points about not knowing the source material and the process and rules of adaptation. I feel the same way which is why I don’t get mad when Spiderman has Organic web shooters, or there is no Squid in Watchmen. Somethings just don’t tramslate or you just don’t have the time to get into i.e. Doom being a sorcerer in the comics and being and Electro/Colossus hybrid in the film.

  • L

    Why all you people want the spider-man movie to be like in the comic books…. For God sake ! Grow up guys the story should evolve through times and that is what Sam Raimi is doing…… BTW they should not cast the Wolfman or the vampire just to get hype with Twilight….. They should stick with the “Mutation” Thing…..

  • L

    Why all you people want the spider-man movie to be like in the comic books…. For God sake ! Grow up guys the story should evolve through times and that is what Sam Raimi is doing…… BTW they should not cast the Wolfman or the vampire just to get hype with Twilight….. They should stick with the “Mutation” Thing…..