Joss Whedon Explains Why Hank Pym is No Longer Ultron’s Creator in Avengers 2

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Most people (including myself) assumed that since Marvel has both an “Ant-Man” movie and Joss Whedon’s “The Avengers: Age of Ultron” set for 2015, that it’s only logical to connect the two, especially since Ant-Man himself, aka Hank Pym is also the original creator of killer machine Ultron in the comic books. Turns out, that’s not the case at all.

Via MovieWeb, Whedon clears up Ultron’s origins, and why it won’t have anything to do with Pym:

Well, because there was a book called ‘Age of Ultron’ quite recently, a lot of people have assumed that is what we’re doing, but that is not the case. We’re doing our own version of the origin story for Ultron. In the origin story, there was Hank Pym, so a lot of people assumed that he will be in the mix. He’s not. We’re basically taking the things from the comics for the movies that we need and can use. A lot of stuff has to fall by the wayside.

Age of Ultron Comic Book CoverWe’re crafting our own version of it where his origin comes more directly from The Avengers we already know about. It’s a little bit darker than the other film because Ultron is in the house. There’s a science fiction theme that wasn’t there in the other one. Ultron is definitely something that evolves, so we’re going to get together a couple of different iterations. Nothing can be translated exactly as it was from the comics; particularly Ultron.

I guess since Marvel is known for their interconnectedness (is that a word?), it was just natural to assume that “Ant-Man” and “The Avengers: Age of Ultron” would be intimately connected. Turns out, not so.

But it’s interesting what he says about this new Ultron’s origins: “We’re crafting our own version of it where his origin comes more directly from The Avengers we already know about.” Hmm, super genius scientist Tony Stark might have a little something to do with it, perhaps?

And for all you Hawkeye fans out there, Whedon promises to treat the archer much better in the sequel:

Part of the fun for me, definitely this time around, is writing Hawkeye. He did get possessed pretty early by a bad guy and had to walk around all scowly for most of the movie so now it’s nice to actually have the character there and see him interact with the other guys.

In any case, what do you guys think about this apparent detour from the comics?

Joss Whedon at Marvel's Comic Con Panel

Whedon made a surprise appearance at Comic Con ’13.

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  • http://www.beyondhollywood.com/ Dedpool

    Hmmms. Well seeing as the teaser had Iron man’s helmet being remade into Ultron’s head, I think they may go with the route that Stark or Stark tech has something to do with his origin. That’s what they did in the “Next Avengers” animated film. They had Tony creat Ultron. I’m thinking between stark tech, asgardian magic-tech, and chitauri tech we end up creating something far worse. I could see that working.

    • Juggernaut

      Wait! What?! Which teaser?! There was a teaser for Avengers 2?!?!?!?1

      • Nathan Summers

        I’m wondering this same thing also…

      • http://www.beyondhollywood.com/ Dedpool

        It was like the Avengers one a few years back. Mostly voice overs from the previous films and AVnegers. it started with IM’s helmet and goes black and as it plays you hear things happening to it and when it comes back, ULTRON!
        http://www.aintitcool.com/node/63354

  • Lexavi80

    I don’t like the idea of Tony creating Ultron.

    Maye the Guardians of the Galaxy have something to do with the creation of Ultron?

    • http://www.beyondhollywood.com/ Dedpool

      Wait, you’d rather have that happen? That makes absolutely no sense though. At least with Tony (and that’s why i said his tech) it’s not a far jump in logic. I don’t necesarrily want him to create Ultron, but his tech is used. Thats why i though up the idea of the hybrid tech.

      • Anubis

        It would be cool if it turned out that J.A.R.V.I.S. turned out to be the AI that turned into Ultron.

        • redraegon

          Building on that, what if J.A.R.V.I.S malfunctions/melts down and Tony creates a replacement A.I. (Ultron) to replace him. Ultron then tries to become superior to JARVIS and chaos ensues.

          • http://www.beyondhollywood.com/ Dedpool

            I like both of those a LOT!!!

  • Juggernaut

    I like the idea of someone fusing the Stark Tech (Look wise and incorporating the JARVIS system is a great idea) and the Chitauri tech (which supposedly will be a big part of the upcoming S.H.I.E.L.D. tv show too) would be a really clever way to introduce the character of Ultron. I still hope that Pym is the one who designs Ultron ultimately though. It is extremely early so Marvel could just be throwing out statements to derail the fans.

  • Boomer

    I predict Stark gives JARVIS autonomy over the Iron Man suit in an attempt to have an Iron Man without BEING Iron Man. He must upgrade its ability to learn, which leads to it forming its own agenda. Stark makes his triumphant return to the Iron Man suit, hopefully this time as either a true Extremis, or better still, Bleeding Edge, to defeat Ultron. Wait…shouldn’t this have bee the plot for Iron Man 3? Oh well. I think we all know that Avengers 2 is really Iron Man 5, anyway

  • Boomer

    Another thought- maybe Stark actually creates Vision, but Vision becomes corrupted and actually turns into Ultron

    • Juggernaut

      I like that idea! There are alot of interesting theories on this subject popping up all over the place.

  • http://www.beyondhollywood.com/ Nix

    Vin Diesel as Ultron. It’s a no-brainer.

    • Nathan Summers

      I still think he’s gonna be ‘Vision’…

    • http://www.beyondhollywood.com/ Dedpool

      Actually i can very much see that!!

  • Michael Burch

    Way to Punk out on Thanos… I never liked Buffy anyway, but Whedon does one HELL of a job getting lots of characters to interact on screen without bogging down the audience… One of the reasons I respected his selection as Director of ”Marvel’s: The Avengers”. Yes, Buffy sucks, I.M.O., but I knew Whedon was Totally capable of getting character interactions right. Ultron… please go the way of the buffalo.

    • http://www.beyondhollywood.com/ Dedpool

      He’s building up. Gauridans will have a huge cosmic flare to it, and in the end Thanos will probably still be a part, maybe not their villain but it will lead back to Earth and we’ll get Avnegers AND GoTG in one flic against Thanos and co.!!!!

  • Ron

    It is entirely possible that Joss Whedon has been given too much leeway. Damage will likely be done here to both the Ant-Man property and Avengers that cannot be easily undone. The mass movie-going public is expecting to see Thanos (even if they don’t know his name) and will not understand swapping in a new villain without resolving the cliffhanger from the last movie they will have seen years ago. The long play works fine if you are releasing every year like a LOTR/Hobbit or Harry Potter franchise, but if it is going to be 3 years in-between Avengers flicks, Whedon had better re-think his Ultron schedule and set that up for movie #3, especially when Guardians of the Galaxy tanks at the box office, which I have no doubt it will. Get Thanos wrapped up quick, then close the trilogy with Ultron instead.

    • http://www.beyondhollywood.com/ Dedpool

      But they have flims to engage us in the meantime and expand the universe even more. If thery’re going cosmic for Avengers three they need a biggger and better team, and that means new characters to introduce. They have Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, Black Panther set up for the next run. Plus Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in A2. GotG has serious potential to be a lot of fun. Just cause it may not be your thing, but there are many excited for it as it will expand the cosmic universe. And we’ve already had a taste in Thor 2. So I’m keeping my fingers crossed. besides doing ANOTHER alien invasion after the first film would be boring. And the story to get to Thanos and such would be rushed.