No Catwoman and Penguin for Batman Begins 3
Thank God someone over there has some sense, even if I don’t always like how he goes about writing them into the movies. The guy in question is David Goyer, who recently spoke to Digital Spy and made it very clear that he and the Batman Begins gang has no plans to introduce either Catwoman or The Penguin into “Batman Begins 3″, or whatever it ends up being called. Damn straight, Goyer. Why keep re-introducing the same bloody characters, when Batman’s Rogues Gallery is as massive as it is? They got it right by using Ra’s Al Ghul in the first one, and I suppose it was inevitable that the Joker eventually showed up in the second one.
Here’s what Goyer said:
“Batman has been published for 70 years. In the first movie, we used Ra’s Al Ghul and the Scarecrow, who had not been in the movies before, and had not been in the ’60s TV show before.
“There are dozens if not hundreds of other characters that fit that bill. Everyone says it’s got to be the Penguin or Catwoman [in the next film]… well I completely disagree.”
My suggestions for villains in the third one: Two-Face. That’s it. Aaron Eckhart vs. Christian Bale. Is that too much to ask?
Although I have to admit, if they can get someone to fill out the black latex as well as Michelle Pfeiffer did (ahem, below), and floated test photos of it around, I may reconsider the Catwoman stuff… But the Penguin? Too stupid a character for words, that one. And oh yes, don’t even think about the Riddler, too.
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I totally agree. Focus on one character and develop him. Superhero movies usually falter when they try to crowd the plate.
Also am I the only one who really like Batman Returns. I love what Burton did with it. In a way it’s even darker than Batman Begins…and Pfeiffer was hot and there was a lot of freaky pyscho sexual stuff. Plus Christopher Walken!
I think that the Penguin and the Riddler can be done seriously in Nolan’s Batman films. Make the Penguin a crimeboss with “The Penguin” as a nickname, and eschew all of the bird trappings. As for the Riddler, make him a serial killer who leaves riddles as clues. And never refer to him as the Riddler, except in newspaper headlines.
Catwoman might work, but make her as grounded in reality as possible. Keep the prostitution origin, and make her exactly what she should be, a cat burglar. A really hot cat burglar…
Those are good ideas. Especially the serial killer one…very nice.
I rarely say this about commenters but you really know what you’re talking about. Nolan’s doing a great job but I’m sure you’d be able to help anyway!
I pretty much agree with Nix about penguin and catwomen..because Michelle Pfeiffer most likely cannt be topped. But if they brought in the Riddler and really made his character dark, I think it would work very well. And it would also get out the bad taste that jim carrey has left in our mouths for all of these years.
” And it would also get out the bad taste that jim carrey has left in our mouths for all of these years.”
Actually you read all the reviews about Batman Forever and most people said that Jim Carrey’s character was the only good thing in it, other than Joel Shumachers stuffing up of the series.
Jim Carrey has proven he can play dark movies (The Number 23) and more serious roles (The Majestic, The Eternal Sunshine of The Spotless Mind). If you’d take note of his filmography his had been in all funny movies at the time that Batman Forever was filmed, it wasn’t until after the grinch where he started doing more serious roles and less comedy ones.
Alot of people believe he can do a serious take in the new batman movie, whether the directors hire him or not, alot of people know he can do it. Next time look up information through the internet to find out what other people thought besides yourself about Jim Carrey starring as the Riddler in the Batman Forever movie. I’ve looked at a few, and like I said, most people said he was the only good thing in it. The world doesn’t revolve around your comment. I know they probebly wouldn’t get him to do the job, but I know he could do it, and he played it well the first time.
If they are going to redo old villains, based on how badly they were butchered by Schumacher, Bane should be at the top of the list, followed by Mr. Freeze. Out of the ones they haven’t done before, I’d love to see Clayface (doubt it’s gonna happen) or Mad Hatter. While it’s true there are hundreds of villains in batman universe, they are only so many well-known ones without supernatural powers that can be adapted into the movie.
Burton’s version of Catwoman and Penguin were amazing, there’s really no good reasons to put a priority on re-imagining them. I don’t know who those “everyone” that are saying they gotta redo them are, but they have no clue what they are talking about.
Just make sure there are no Robin & BatGirl, in next Batman.
Catwoman , I want her in , the is a very complex, strong and fun character. They should have her for lover/enemy on next batman.
I love Batman and my favorite villians are Penguin and Catwoman i minus well just give up on these films if they want other villians cuz it HAS TO BE PENGUIN AND CATWOMAN! they r the most famous villians after the Joker.
It’s “might as well”, not “minus well”.
What?? You guys are silly, we need frsh new villains. Bring in Clayface and Manbat, or better yet, bring in Bane exactly as he was in the comics, insanely stron and smarter than bruce wayne. They could even follow the storyline where Bane and Batman find out they are brothers.
I think Manbat can work now that I’ve seen THE DARK KNIGHT. Since Gordon and the Gotham Police are now chasing Batman and making him look like the villain, Manbat can come in and make true crime, with the police/media believing it was actually BATMAN.
I also think the Riddler can work in this franchise. I can see Batman and Gordon working together to figure out the riddles that are placed at each crime scene.
I like this idea. I mean, if ur talking about the opening to Dark Knight where all those guys are trying to take down Scarecrow & Chechen with machine guns whilst posing as an army of Batmen then it definitely could work. I mean if one of them just goes that bit too far and oversteps the mark, cos it wouldn’t be beyond the more realistic aims of Nolan and Goyer.
Unfortunately, this is impossible. You’ll see why when you see the movie.
Y not get Harley Quinn “Joker’s Lover” in for the 3rd movie. That character has never been in a movie yet and would be a great new female lead.
Despite some denials, I think they may well put Catwoman in the next film (I certainly hope they do) - with Rachel out of the picture, and Bruce more depressed and removed from humanity than ever (”Don’t make me your only hope for a normal life,” Rachel had said to him)… he needs to find someone who he can connect with on an emotional and psychological level. Catwoman would be an ideal match. Ideally, they would start as adversaries and then come to a better understanding of each other (as Catwoman later become a sort of Robin Hood type, noble outlaw)… I’m thinking Kate Beckinsale.
I suppose there is always Talia al Ghul is a possibility.
The Riddler… I would only want to see if it was done properly. It would take a very masterful performance for me to be happy with The Riddler as a choice for the next Batman villain. Perhaps if he wrote his riddles in the blood of slain victims… He needs to be extremely disturbing and creepy… otherwise, it’s just going to be cheesy and gimmicky. If they finally come to their senses and allow Nolan to make an “R” rated Batman, I could get exicted about the Riddler.
It had just occurred to me - just like Batman inspired vigilantes to dress up and fight crime, what if the Joker inspired madmen to let themselves run rampant and express themselves, using death and destruction as their medium and Gotham as their canvas? Perhaps The Mad Hatter could emerge, at first as a sort of “Joker copycat”, but slowly developing his own unique style…
Failing those, I’d like to see Bane done properly.
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD DO SOMETHING NEW GIVE NEW VILLAINS A CHANCE TO BE IN THE MOVIES I MEAN ITS JUST THE SAME OVER AND OVER AGAIN BORING!!!
I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE HARLEY QUINN AND POISON IVY!!
I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN AWSOME MOVIE!
I MEAN POSION IVY WITH HER OH SO DEADLY KISS AND THAT SENT THAT IS OH SO INTOXICATING!!
AND THEN WE HAVE HARLEY QUINN WHO IS FOREVER DEVOTED TO THE CLOWN PRINCE OF CRIME..
AND HARLEY QUINN WHO HAS YET TO BE FEATURED IN ANY BATMAN MOVIE NEEDS TO BE IN A MOVIE BUT I DO ADMITT THAT FINDING AN ACTRESS TO PLAY HER AND PULL IT OFF WILL BE DIFFICULT BUT IF THEY FIND THE RIGHT PERSON THAT WOULD BE THE BEST BATMAN MOVIE WLL THAT IS MY OPINION!!
AND THE FACT THAT SHE WENT INSANE FOR THE CLOWN PRINCE OF CRIME!
LIKE EVERYONE KNOWS SHE WAS SUPPOSE TO BE JOKERS “PSYCHOLOGIST”!
AND THEN POISON IVY WHO HAS SEXUAL APPEAL ON HER SIDE.
BUT WITH ONE KISS COULD KILL YOU
I MEAN YEA SHE DID COME OUT IN ANOTHER MOVIE AND IT WAS GOOD BUT I THINK IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER BUT THATS MY OPINION…
BUT THATS MY IDEA N I LIKE IT {{DUH}}
FIRST OFF LET ME SAY THAT I AM A BIG FAN OF CATWOMAN AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER IN ANOTHER BATMAN MOVIE (NOT AS A MAINE CHARACTER BUT JUST TO BE MENTIONED IN THE THIRD MOVIE, SOMETHING LIKE THE POLICE ARE TRYING TO TRACK A CAT BURGULAR AND GORDON MENTIONS SOMETHING ABOUT IT TO BATMAN (SOMETHING LIKE HES VENTING ABOUT THE MAIN PROBLEM IN THE MOVIE AND AS AN AFTER THOUGHT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT SOME THIEF DRESSED UP LIKE A CAT)OR ALFRED SEE SOMETHING ABOUT IT IN THE NEWS PAPER AND MAKES A COMMENT ABOUT IT, SOMETHING LIKE HOW BATMAN HAS STARTED A COSTUME FAD). JUST THAT WOULD MAKE ME LOVE THE THIRD MOVIE. CATWOMAN DOESN’T EVEN HAVE TO BE IN THE MOVIE JUST MENTIONED IN SOME WAY (AND IF THEY HAPPEN TO MAKE A FOURTH MOVIE LET HER BE IN IT, NOT AS THE MAIN VILLAIN BUT AS A SIDE TYPE OF THING LIKE BRUCE WAYNE MEETS SELINA KYLE MAYBE SHE WORKS AT WAYNE ENTERPRISES BRUCE IS INTERESTED IN HER SOMETHING LIKE THAT
(JUST FOR HER TO BE MENTIONED). BUT HARLEY QUINN SHOULD/HAS TO BE IN THE THIRD BATMAN MOVIE ESPICALY IF THE JOKER IS GOING TO BE IN IT. NO MATER WHAT VILLAINS THEY USE THEIR SHOULD BE A STRONG FEMALE ROLL PLAYED BY SOMEONE, OTHERWISE I THINK SOME FEMALE FANS MIGHT NOT BE AS THRILLED BY IT(NOT SAYING THEY WOULDN’T LIKE IT, JUST SAYING THEY MIGHT NOT CONNECT AS WELL TO THE MOVIE AS THE GUYS WILL. I KNOW THAT I TEND TO LIKE MOVIES BETTER WERE A GIRL KICKS A LITTLE ASS.)
I’m glad that their not using the Penguin or Catwoman… Let’s be honest, Batman Returns was a pretty damn good movie, and who else is going to play the Penguin & Catwoman besides Danny DeVito and Michelle Pfeiffer…
Give me Two-Face and Clayface, those characters are so dark and tragic they would perfect together… not to mention that both names end in ‘face’… priceless
or throw in Hush, that would definetly be different
The best explanation for having Catwoman in the next movie. I couldnt say it better myself. Taken from another blog:
“I believe that catwoman will be in the next batman. It makes perfect sense… Nolan will want a strong female character in the film. If you’ve seen the dark knight, you’ll know what I’m talking about.
In the comics, catwoman’s origins started as an abused girl and Frank Miller even portrayed her as a prostitute. I believe that this would fit in well with Nolan’s formula for the batman films. Have her as an abused girl or prostitute who was abused by one of gotham’s criminals or one of the mafia guys. When she become’s catwoman, she is focused on riding gotham of these types of criminals. In the comics, catwoman was sometimes written as a heroine rather than villain and what’s interesting with catwoman is that she follows her own moral code similar to how batman does as well. However, her version of vigilante justice is more extreme than batman’s. Where he does not believing in killing any villain, catwoman believes that this is the only type of justice these criminals deserve. This would serve as the context of the conflict between batman and catwoman.
I also believe that the next batman film will have a strong focus on the character of Bruce Wayne, the man behind the mask. Batman Begins saw Bruce Wayne construct himself into the batman, The Dark Knight focused heavily on the batman, I believe the next film will see Nolan deconstruct batman back down and focus a lot on Bruce. Nolan gave us a glimpse of this in the Dark Knight as he portrayed a Bruce Wayne as someone who was starting to question the purpose and role of masked hero in gotham. Catwoman’s true identity as Selina Kyle would be a perfect fit in the movie to serve as Bruce Wayne’s love interest.
Keeping with the focus on Bruce Wayne, I also believe that the next movie will see Batman face the challenge of trying to protect his real identity as Bruce. Again, the Dark Knight showed us a glimpse of this plot.
If this is the case, I believe the second villain in the next movie will be the Black Mask. He would also fit very well in with Nolan’s formula for villains, dark and gritty. Black Mask would introduce an refreshing and interesting take to the movies. Unlike the other villains who have a vendetta against batman, in the comics, black mask was focused on destroying bruce wayne. This would open up the next film alot since not only will we see batman battle for his life but bruce as well. In the comics, catwoman stole money from the black mask and the two did battle. The next film could also portray catwoman discovering that black mask was the one responsible for ruining the life of Selina Kyle and ultimately giving birth to catwoman.
This would serve as the focus of the battles between batman and the two villains. Batman faces his greatest challege yet as he battles a villain who is serving her own brand of vigilante justice and a gotham crime boss who threatens the live’s of the city’s people and that of Bruce wayne.”
I personally think Eva Green would be a good casting choice for this
hmm I read the posts and this is what ive come up with: at the end of dark knight gordon makes clear that the police will go after batman so I can see manbat. and also I can see harley emerging because of the joker in dark knight but also when batman gets his new armor he asks if it can stand up to dogs.. and the reply is yes “and evern cats” hint hint to catwoman, so one of those two ladies will probably be in it. but the one i would want to see is the riddler - lets tests batmans smarts in the next movie a little bit. all in all I think that the director can pull off 3 villians in the third movie.. after that though i think a trilogy is enough.
jonny depp may be the joker if(which will most likley happen) the character returns. now i like the riddler but it would be hard to find a darker riddler. I think jim carrey actually has potential for the role again. but the penquin would suck it was to dumb of a role. he was to much like a real penguin why was he gray and sad. They should make a penquin with the ambition to kill batman not rule gotham
i really don’t think depp would make at all a good joker, but probably a better riddler. i think they should just leave the joker alown for now. Heath really just tore the role apart! i doubt they would be able to find a better actor for the joker. if they would introduse a mad-hatter Crispin Glover would make an awsome mad-hatter! and if they casted a clay-face ron perlman would do a very good job or John Rhys-Davies (gimli from LoR).
I think the Joker is done with. It’d be a slap in face for them to recast the Joker. You cannot match Heath’s devotion and deep dedication to the Joker so easily, and to try and do so would be nothing short of rude.
I don’t believe any “sidekick” type characters should be introduced into Nolan’s Batman movies. They don’t fit. The Dark Knight’s Joker has no use for Harley Quinn.
If anything, I’d love to see the Riddler. A lot of people believe he’s closely related to the Joker, personality wise; however, the Joker in Nolan’s film is so dark that it allows for a character like the Riddler to make an appearance and be completely different. We’ll just have to wait and see.
Can’t wait to see the riddler!
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Clay-face, two-face, and the mad hatter would make perfect villan choises in the next one. clay-face was the only villan the batman really couldn’t defeat and i would love to see how they would CG him.
What about the minor charactors in the Dark Knight…1.The bank manager who the Joker doesn’t kill but say’s a line too? 2.Person in Wanye Enterprise who discover’s the batmobile, and want’s to blackmail Bruce. I wonder if these people become villians themself’s?
1. bankmanager becomes… 1.The Clock King? or 2.The Venquinlist? or 3.The Riddler?
2. blackmailer becomes… 1.The Blackmask? 2.Deadshot??
Batman begins and Thedarkknight Gordon’s son is a focus?? Does he become Electrocutioner? Doubtfull, but there has to be a reason for the focus on the son….
Joker does have a use for Harley Quinn, seeing that he is in Arkum now, she is his only outside link…And he can convert her into evil, like he converted Harvey Dent into Two-face!
The new version of the Penguin can appear as like what he really is a business tycoon pulling the strings in the background of the crime world of gotham city…Also appears as Oswald Cobberpot as a person guning for mayor to rule both sides of gotham city! Played by Philp Hoffman? Who might be close to signing in for batman 3??
Talia Al Ghul very doubtfull, but she is Bruce’s true love…Can’t really see her in batman 3 for she never was mentioned or appeared in batman begins when Bruce was training in the league of shadows? But she could reintroduce the league of shadows in some dark way, only done correctly tho!
Catwoman might be possible, but only if they do her as her true catburgler style of crime..Also the correct actress! 1.Mila Kunis?
Bane i might be able to see, seeing how Bane breaks batman in the comic books and would work for batman 3 if that is the last of them..But Bane has to be done correct not like in Batman forever!
Clay-face can’t see happening in batman 3, because it would be too much like Two-face, also Clay-face has the power to kinda change his form not nolan’s style…
Man-Bat can’t see happening in batman 3 for he is unreal for nolan’s style…
Two-face it is possible he will return as the main villian, question is did he flee or was he taken into Arkum? Also if taken to Arkum how does he escape?
Scarecrow very doubtfull, he had his moment to shine in batman begins he is now locked away in Arkum thanks to batman in the Dark Knight…
Sum up…
Female role
1.Harley quinn or 2.Catwoman/Selena Kyle or 3.Talia Al Ghul
Main villian role
1.Two-face or 2.Riddler or 3.Bane
Support villian role
1.Penguin and Blaskmask
Hero role
1.Bruce/Batman
Suport hero role
1.Alfred and Fox? or 2.Alfred and Gordon?
A new support hero role?
A few to pick from….
A new batmobile? Batplane in batman 3 doubtfull…
There does have to be a female villain, next time around. And I buy the allusion to Catwoman as well.
They DID bring in Joker’s dogs which was an interesting detail.. I think there may have been an intent to bring Harley and the Hyenas (if possible) in next time, but I agree that Depp, while incredible, is not Joker.. it just isnt him. BUT I said the same thing about Ledger a year ago, so who knows.
Hmm.. I would LOVE to see the Ventriloquist/Scarface.
Rhas Al Ghul is coming back at some point.. I suspect Talia in the next movie and an allusion to her father being alive toward the end. I doubt Talia will appear as a hard core criminal.
Three villains is TOO MANY.. stacking up villains in comic movies is how you know they arent worth your ticket.. to much slam not enough story.
Mr Freeze has been done, yes, BUT his story is extremely compelling (too bad it was almost completely ignored in the first attempt).
The blackmailer is definately a coming villain, but not as Ventriloquist.. too aggressive.. I think the Squid could be a more appropriate part, but I think they named Ghul as the squid in a very brief conversation in Begins.. yes? no? hmm.. Whoops.. I just looked it up.. his name is Wesker, so he is the Ventriloquist.. well there you go. The blackmailing accountant is coming in the next one as Scarface/Ventriloquist. Fantastic! Great choice!
whoops mybad.. I see a ton of people said his name is Reece.. sry sry sry
Honestly…I think they should use Ra’s Al gul (sorry for spelling) daughter as a villain to hire bane….then they should use the story where bane broke batmans back and he hires Azrael…then that can explore the story of showing how batman is diffrent from badguys…like id like to actually see a villians where they can give batman a good fight
Come on they have to bring Catwoman in. Nolan would be able to work magic. If Catwoman comes into the picture….please do have Halle Berry. That catwoman movie she did was a complete joke and that wasn’t catwoman at all.
Michelle Pfeifer is the best catwoman ever…hands down…they should bring her back
And for the Riddler…..Jim Carey of course….I don’t think there is any other actor who be able to play the Riddler as good as Jim Carey. Bringing Jim Carey into the next Batman film with Nolan directing it….that will be a hit……Jim Carey can be silly and serious.
Jonny Depp can probably pull it off too..playing as the riddler. But if anything…if they decided to bring the Joker back….Johnny Depp will be a great selection to play the Joker.
But hands down Heath Ledger act his ass off in Batman 3. He did soo good I still couldn’t believe it was Heath that was playing the Joker.
There will be no point to bring Harley Quinn in the film if the Joker isn’t around. If they decide to bring Joker back…hoping that if they do it will be Johnny Depp then Harley Quinn needs to make an appearance as well.
What will it be called Batman Begins 3 or The Dark Knight 2 or will they go with the Caped Crusader?
Still i think Marnette Patterson should play Catwoman.
dont say they cant replace the Joker cause they can. yes Heath Ledger gave one hell of a performance but they can replace him get someone as funny.
They should put Two Face and Riddler together. Who knows some good shit could happen in this movie. No Robin thats bullshit.
Maybe they should get Depp or stick with tennent. you cant replace The Governator so the Mr. Freeze thing is out.
I totally agree oh even though this is off the subject Cat Women is CAPITAL H HOT!!!!!!!!!
oh i think Bat Girl Is HOT LIKE THAT TO!!!!!!!!!!!
ok i kno no-one cares wat i have to say but heres wat i think would be an awsome story for a 3rd movie ok so if the penguin is in it i think it should be him riddler and bane theres a mob meating and oswald “penguin” cobllepot shows up and talks to other mob members about him becoming the new mob boss and there r crimes going on where the criminal leaves behind riddles and the riddler shows up to help the police [he wouldnt go by that name aroun the police] and he has been paid off by penguin to set up fake crimes and leave riddles and then show up with police pretending to be someone tryin to help them [and since there his riddles he'll know the answer] the penguin paid him off to do so to keep the police occupied and off his case,however batman gets suspicious and finds out the truth but since hes wanted the police dont believe him so he goes to kidnap the penguin to confirme wat he says is true but on his way he has an epic duel between penguins bodygaurd [bane] and batman then batmans set strait gothom is safe for now and it leaves us with a good fealing,also at the begining we see jokers trial [if they can get someone to sound like him] but no close ups and then mr reese shoots him at the trial because hes still angry about the hit on himself from joker,then joker falls down laughing as he dies.
I’m Sorry, you know what I forgot to mention, they should’ve stuck with doing the Batman Triumphant film. Before Nolan decided to the whole Batman Begins film.
Come on, Resurrect the Joker, Bring in Harley Quinn
Scarecrow. that film would have been amazing.
Batman Begins 3/ The Dark Knight 2/ The Caped Crusader/ The Gotham Knight/ or just plain old throw a pen in someone’s gun and say I’m Batman.
please no Angelina Jolee or Cher for Catwoman get somebody new, new faces, people probably like new faces. I’m damn sure..i dont want to see Jessica Alba in this fucking film…please!!!
Kate Beckinsale
Marnette Patterson
who ever they want.
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