Raimi Wants to Get Back to Basics With Spider-Man 4

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spiderman-webThere is the inevitable temptation while working on a sequel to do more and more in order to trump the prior films. Make it flashier and flashier. Fill in the sides. Soon the film becomes so bloated that it sinks beneath its own weight. I don’t necessarily need to tell you the problems with Spider-Man 3; there have been enough autopsies done that the problems have been well-covered. What is worth a discussion is what that means for Spider-Man 4.

Raimi is a talented filmmaker, but some filmmakers abstain from any self-correction, especially when it pertains to a series that is ostensibly bigger than any one man. But at least, according to the Coventry Telegraph, Raimi is committed to fixing the problems. As well as admitting that  the profusion of villains detracted from the experience, he also talked about the lessons he learned from Drag Me to Hell:

“I think I’ve learned about the importance of getting to the point and the importance of having limitations, and I’m hoping to take that into a production where I’m actually allowed to explore with more of the tools to pull it off with a little more splendour.”

In another interview with MTV, Raimi discussed potential villains, though, of  course, he was non-committal. “I love the Lizard,” said Raimi. “There’s a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I’m less familiar with Carnage.” He went on to say:

“What we’re trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome. Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villain—and we’re trying this right now; we’re trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict.”

We can always wonder what could have been had they been more forward-thinking and committed to a longer story arc like they seem to be doing with Spider-Man 5 and 6 (which Raimi says are too far away to think about), but the damage has been done. All Raimi can do is take the franchise in a different direction and hope to avoid further landmines.

Author: Jacob

Jacob is shy. That's why he hasn't filled out his profile page yet. Hopefully he'll read this and decide to replace it with something else. If not, he'll never know I'm making fun of him in his profile. Heh heh. - Nix
  • http://www.originalgeekspodcast.com/ Dedpool aka Jiinx

    Here’s something about Peter you’ve forgotten Sam. He’s FUNNY!!!! Okay Peter isn’t but Spidey IS and that’s the point. All that angst, and self doubt goes out the window when the mask goes on. He can say whatever he wants because of the annonimity the mask gives him. Where are my quips durring the fights? Where is my villain shouting “WILL YOU SHUT UP??!!??” That is a major major part of who Spiderman is as a character and I’ve missed it sooo much. Thank god for “Spectacular Spiderman.” Best animated Spidey ever. Yes better than Spidey and his amazing friends and the 90′s series.

    • Arthur

      What about the Spider-man cartoon series from the 60′s? That series was awesome until they started going into other dimensions and what not. The 60′s series blows away “Spider-man And His Amazing Friends”. And I didn’t really watch the 90′s series.

  • Dedpool

    Here’s something about Peter you’ve forgotten Sam. He’s FUNNY!!!! Okay Peter isn’t but Spidey IS and that’s the point. All that angst, and self doubt goes out the window when the mask goes on. He can say whatever he wants because of the annonimity the mask gives him. Where are my quips durring the fights? Where is my villain shouting “WILL YOU SHUT UP??!!??” That is a major major part of who Spiderman is as a character and I’ve missed it sooo much. Thank god for “Spectacular Spiderman.” Best animated Spidey ever. Yes better than Spidey and his amazing friends and the 90′s series.

    • Arthur

      What about the Spider-man cartoon series from the 60′s? That series was awesome until they started going into other dimensions and what not. The 60′s series blows away “Spider-man And His Amazing Friends”. And I didn’t really watch the 90′s series.

  • Jacob

    I suppose that Spider-Man is pretty sarcastic in the movies, though perhaps not as smarmy as he is in the cartoons. At least, you do get a real sense of exhilaration from the Raimi films, as if Peter Parker has been set free.

    • http://www.originalgeekspodcast.com/ Dedpool aka Jiinx

      No he’s not sarcastic at all in the films. He’s a whinny brat. He has NO quips, no one liners no sense of humor. I agree with the sense of exhiliration while web-swinging but still I wan’t my funny SPidey. The reason I watched and still watch the cartoons, the reason I read the comics. He has something to say about everything. Whether he’s nervous cause he’s out of his league, or just berating bad guys cause they’re a joke. My friend said it best, “I laughed more ar Tony Stark in one Iron Man movie than I did at Spidey in 3 films.”

  • Jacob

    I suppose that Spider-Man is pretty sarcastic in the movies, though perhaps not as smarmy as he is in the cartoons. At least, you do get a real sense of exhilaration from the Raimi films, as if Peter Parker has been set free.

    • Dedpool

      No he’s not sarcastic at all in the films. He’s a whinny brat. He has NO quips, no one liners no sense of humor. I agree with the sense of exhiliration while web-swinging but still I wan’t my funny SPidey. The reason I watched and still watch the cartoons, the reason I read the comics. He has something to say about everything. Whether he’s nervous cause he’s out of his league, or just berating bad guys cause they’re a joke. My friend said it best, “I laughed more ar Tony Stark in one Iron Man movie than I did at Spidey in 3 films.”

  • M-Cat

    Morbious in the fourth movie. You heard it hear first.

  • M-Cat

    Morbious in the fourth movie. You heard it hear first.

  • MAT

    Moi j’aimerais bien le vautour , avec pour scenario deux personnalité qui s’oppose d’un
    coté une tante may agonisante qui accepte sont sort et de l’autre le vautour qui cherche
    par tous les moyens a prolonger sa vie (immortalité ?) et au milieu un spiderman qui ne
    sait pas quelle decision prendre, sauver sa tante en utilisant les recherches du vautour ?
    ou accepter sa mort naturelle ?

  • MAT

    Moi j’aimerais bien le vautour , avec pour scenario deux personnalité qui s’oppose d’un
    coté une tante may agonisante qui accepte sont sort et de l’autre le vautour qui cherche
    par tous les moyens a prolonger sa vie (immortalité ?) et au milieu un spiderman qui ne
    sait pas quelle decision prendre, sauver sa tante en utilisant les recherches du vautour ?
    ou accepter sa mort naturelle ?

  • http://www.youtube.com/xin0 xino

    Lizardman is the villain to give Peter grown in life!
    Peter is somehow close and connected to Dr Connors AKA Lizard man!

    Seriously not many people will consider Carnage to be a badass or favourable villain. Carnage is just a ruthless, crazy, evil version of Venom. Because of Eddy Brook that gives a good conscience to Venom, that what makes Venom good and unique! He can’t be bad all the time.

    Only fanboys who stick to Spiderman from cartoons to large comic releases will consider Carnage. I myself only knew more about Spiderman because of the 90s Spiderman cartoon with some 3D effects (that is 1 action packed cartoon!).

    Either Electro or Lizardman. Even Electro wasn’t a popular villain, he was just a star villain in Spiderman 2 PS1 game.

  • http://www.youtube.com/xin0 xino

    Lizardman is the villain to give Peter grown in life!
    Peter is somehow close and connected to Dr Connors AKA Lizard man!

    Seriously not many people will consider Carnage to be a badass or favourable villain. Carnage is just a ruthless, crazy, evil version of Venom. Because of Eddy Brook that gives a good conscience to Venom, that what makes Venom good and unique! He can’t be bad all the time.

    Only fanboys who stick to Spiderman from cartoons to large comic releases will consider Carnage. I myself only knew more about Spiderman because of the 90s Spiderman cartoon with some 3D effects (that is 1 action packed cartoon!).

    Either Electro or Lizardman. Even Electro wasn’t a popular villain, he was just a star villain in Spiderman 2 PS1 game.